Are you going to heaven?

Quotes from the bible!

Published on August 4, 2004 By blondelife In Religion

Me and one of my friends went up to the state fair today. We had a talk with someone about the bible. They say that everyword of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. It talked about that there is one God and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. They talked about if you will go to heaven or not. If you believe in god and his son jesus christ and you know you've done wrong and admitt it to him. He will forgive you for what you did. He knows that everyone does something once in awhile that they need to be forgiven. I also agree with them that you don't have to go to church all the time to be accepted by him. You just need to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior. He said in the bible in John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

Also people said that people twist the bible around i agreed with them. When the bible says an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. People think well if they kill someone that means i can kill them. Well guess what that isn't what it means. He didn't want anyone to die by murder. Not by the death penelty cause they got into trouble for killing someone. Then that one person just killed that guy etc. etc. It makes no sense to do the death penelty or does it. I need help with this i don't know what to think half the time. Please help.

~blondelife~

Comments (Page 2)

Pearlcaster

on Aug 07, 2004

The very last thing you want to do when discussing heaven, hell, and other assorted hangovers from the past, metaphysical misjudgments, theoretical quandries and/or moral dilemmas, is talk to another christian about them since they're all as thoroughly confused as you are.

The first thing you need to know about christianity is that it's the religion of slaves. "Help me God I wanna new [insert name of preferred object here]"
"Help me God my father, brother, mother, sister, lover, gerbil (or whatever) is dying. Make it stop and I'll be good"
"Help me God my life is totally fucked up and I don't know what to do"

Slaves are natural dependents, forever looking for someone else to step in and make their lives ok. You wanna know the truth? You were born alone, you'll die alone, and there isn't a living soul on the planet that can help you get from the first point to the second.

The second thing you need to know about christianity is that it teaches a doctrine of forgiveness without responsibility. If Jesus did away with the 'Old Man', our sinful nature, then no one need take responsibility for the consequences of their actions in this world. "Jesus forgave me, so now the fact that I raped and murdered a small child is OK with God, and I can sleep peacefully at night." It inculcates in its believers the moral backbone of a nematode.

And the third thing you need to know about christianity is this: its description of the bliss believers experience after death is so vague, so nebulous, so utterly unconvincing, that never in the course of human artistic production has any artist managed to portray 'heaven' in a fashion that would make anyone in their right mind want to go there.

Hell, on the other hand, has always been infinitely more sexy - which is why Milton's Satan in Paradise Lost is the most interesting character in the entire poem, and why Dante's Inferno is by far the more entertaining of the three books of his Commedia.

I seriously suggest that you avoid all further contact with anyone so slavish, so morally bankrupt, and so unutterably, so vilely dull, as to refer to himself as a 'christian'.

~~DivasRule~~

Lord Shitzu

on Aug 07, 2004

Am I going to Heaven? No, or at least I hope not. I consider whatever deity that rules this reality to be a total ass.

I must full-heartedly agree, even if God were to prove to me he was real, if he was like the Bible God, I would neither respect nor bow down to him. I'd rather burn in hell with interesting people who share my beliefs than those cowardly enough to bow to a tyrant.

I can tell you honestly that if I were face to face right now with the one that killed my brother, I would not kill him.

And? You don't have to accept Jesus to make that decision, I am an atheist and I have my own views on what is right and what is wrong, and I happen to think that killing someone is almost never right, and forgiveness is a virtue. I don't think this because the Bible tells me to, I think it because I too would like to be treated with forgiveness and mercy.

blondelife

on Aug 07, 2004

I don't know about you lord Shitzu on how you believe. You have your opionins and i respect that. I have mine and they are totally opposite. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ the only son of god. I want to go to heaven. I am sure i will go there as long as i ask for forgiveness. But i do respect your view and the others.

~blondelife

Gideon MacLeish

on Aug 07, 2004

Yes, I'm going to heaven. It's very normal and very human to wonder and question. I liked that time of WWJD. I can tell you honestly that if I were face to face right now with the one that killed my brother, I would not kill him.

Excellent response, WF...I'm going to hit you with an insightful for that (I have also dealt with the wrongful murder of a brother, as you probably know). That's one reason I believe the family should be a major factor in decding death penalty cases; if I were to be affected by a killer of a famil member in a capital case, I would want a chance to SHOW them the grace of God, and perhaps change their life.

I do not think it is consistent for a Christian to hope ANYONE winds up in Hell; we are to walk a better path.

Just my two cents.

Gideon MacLeish

on Aug 07, 2004

Pearl,

Wow. While I defer to you the right to have your beliefs, I honestly think your prejudice is appalling. You have lumped me in a category with a billion other folks, and you hardly know me.

Frankly, what you expressed in your thread is that, sight unseen, you hate me because I am a Christian. And you have the balls to call US bigots?

blondelife

on Aug 07, 2004

Thank you WF and Gideon MacLeish i think you guys understand. I feel the same way. I also hope that noone will wind up in hell ever. You should think of heaven as peaceful.

~blondelife~

OckhamsRazor

on Aug 09, 2004

"From the rites of the jungle witch-doctors, which distorted reality into grotesque absurdities, stunted the minds of their victims and kept them in terror of the supernatural for stagnant stretches of centuries--to the supernatural doctrines of the Middle Ages, which kept men huddling on the mud floors of their hovels, in terror that the devil might steal the soup they had worked eighteen hours to earn--to the seedy little smiling professor who assures you that your brain has no capacity to think, that you have no means of perception and must blindly obey the omnipotent will of that supernatural force: Society--all of it is the same performance for the same and only purpose: to reduce you to the kind of pulp that has surrendered the validity of its consciousness.

"But it cannot be done without your consent. If you permit it to be done, you deserve it."

Lord Shitzu

on Aug 09, 2004

I do not think it is consistent for a Christian to hope ANYONE winds up in Hell; we are to walk a better path.

And if you do, that's great, it's just that, speaking only for myself, when you've encountered enough people threatening you with fire, brimstone, and eternal suffering just because you're a different sort of decent person than they'd like you to be, you tend to end up a little jaded. That's why Christians end up lumped together sometimes in my mind as "self-righteous assholes" rather than "those with differing viewpoints."

shadesofgrey

on Aug 09, 2004

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

I've always wondered about this verse. It's an "if/then" clause. It's possible that the negative doesn't hold true.

People who believe in Jesus will go to heaven, does not necessarily mean that all people who go to heaven believe in Jesus. Think of it this way: If I have red shoes, it doesn't mean that all shoes are red, or to stretch my logic a bit further: Everyone standing at Bus stop A will ride Bus 2. But that doesn't mean that everyone on Bus 2 was standing at Bus stop A. There were other ways for people to get on Bus 2, just as, I believe, there are other ways to get to heaven.

Personally, I have a hard time with the notion that Jesus is the only way to heaven--I've grappled with it for years, and always come back to the notion that God couldn't possibly damn to hell for all eternity people who had never ever heard his name uttered. The very notion that small villages in Africa, or remote towns in Asia would go to hell out of ignorance rather than rejecting God is extremely disturbing in my mind.

I agree with your assessment of the death penalty...I saw a bumper sticker years ago that said, "How does killing someone teach people that it is not ok to kill?"

Lord Shitzu

on Aug 09, 2004

I've always wondered about this verse. It's an "if/then" clause. It's possible that the negative doesn't hold true.

People who believe in Jesus will go to heaven, does not necessarily mean that all people who go to heaven believe in Jesus. Think of it this way: If I have red shoes, it doesn't mean that all shoes are red, or to stretch my logic a bit further: Everyone standing at Bus stop A will ride Bus 2. But that doesn't mean that everyone on Bus 2 was standing at Bus stop A. There were other ways for people to get on Bus 2, just as, I believe, there are other ways to get to heaven.

You know, somehow I've never noticed that, but thinking of it that way, I can almost see a sort of loopshole that would make "God" less of a pompous ass than I'd always considered his Biblical persona to be. Very interesting observation.

WiseFawn

on Aug 09, 2004

Thank you Gideon and blondelife. I'm sorry about your brother, Gideon.
This is a nice post, blondelife, with a good point to it. I hope it's OK with you if I add another of my cents in here.

I know it's easy to make broad statements and judgments, but there are actually a great many Christians that are not as they are portrayed. I'm wondering if it will ever be possible for there to be less sterotyping of people?

blondelife

on Aug 09, 2004

Everyone standing at Bus stop A will ride Bus 2. But that doesn't mean that everyone on Bus 2 was standing at Bus stop A. There were other ways for people to get on Bus 2, just as, I believe, there are other ways to get to heaven.

I like the way you put this. I have never thought of it in any other way then you have to believe in Jesus to go to heaven. This was a very good statement.

I'm wondering if it will ever be possible for there to be less sterotyping of people?

I highly doubt this one. Everyone hopest there will be less of this. But it is just natural of us. If you see someone in bad clothes and doesn't look that clean you think he is a loser or bum. It is natural for your body to do this. It is something you automatically do. You can stop because it is just a bad habit. Not everyone will but you can always try it takes one person to take the first step.

Also thank you for saying that this is a nice post. That makes me feel better thanks.

~blondelife~

OckhamsRazor

on Aug 09, 2004

Are righteous people not above stereotyping? What I mean is, a person is truly righteous, what effect does someone else stereotyping actually have?

Now if they're just *pretending* to be righteous, I can see why stereotyping might press a button...

blondelife

on Aug 10, 2004

righteous,

I have a question what does this word mean. then i might be able to help you our OckhamsRazor.

~blondelife~

Lord Shitzu

on Aug 10, 2004

I have a question what does this word mean. then i might be able to help you our OckhamsRazor.

right·eous
adj.

1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger. See Synonyms at moral.

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